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Conversation: Whosoever Confides in Jesus is Saved

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Published: Jan 16, 2017

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I should have wrapped this up earlier...but I just let my battery run out instead.

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Convo Pt 2: Whosoever Confides in Jesus is Save

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Jesus saved us sinners whilst we were sinners

did he

Yes

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no proof

Unless u trust that God created

There is no proof

pretty much

If u live by the law and cannot keep it u r cursed. If u live by the law u forfeit grace.

thank you for being honest and agreeing with me

Even our righteousnesses r as filthy rahs

So basically we cannot save ourselves

On our own accord taking the responsibility

We will perish

That includes me

all die sometime

Yeah

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But twice is a choice

Whosoever comes to Jesus and confides in him shall be saves

If u look at yourself and not Jesua it is pointless

U gotta hold Jesus as a foundation

i don't have to

i don't

No u don`t

It is not a requirement

But it is the one way to God

there's many ways to God

Not if we r referring to the creator

Jesus is the door

Through him u shall see the father

And God`s patience is not like man`s that wavers

Does Jesus believe in the bible

He seeks that all r saves

He is the word and the word was with God and is God. That and he read it and spent time at the temple

He also quoted it

does jesus believe in the old testament

And from the old testament all the more reason

Jesus did not come so that we would run away like Adam and Eve

He came so that we may be redeemed

And reconciled

And with the Lord

Jesus is refrred to as the Last Adam cos he reversed what we inherited from Adam

why is there evil in the world?

Also before creation God promised that Jesus would come and immediately after Adam and Eve sinned he phrophesied his coming.

Evil

Those who sin against the Lord wrongenth their own soul. Those who hate him love death.

We can be informed

But it is our choice not God`s

And at this time the wages of sin is death

Until God restores this earth from it`s pain and bck to the fomer glory

If he were to judge all evil right here and now it would start with Lucifer

Hell was made for the angels and Satan

To cast them away

And justly we are also to be sent there

Which means the whole flippin Earth would be cast there

But whilst we are sinners Jesus died for us

how can God promise before creation. promise to who?

He promised ahead of time

To us

That we may be saved

is there a hell?

Indeed. All the more reason to tell u it is there.

Thos who love u warn u and guode u away from harm despite u not wanting to hear about conscerninf things

is hell forever

Indeed. For satan the fallen angels the antichrist false prophet beast and those to the left side of God r cast into there forever

It is forever cos a finite being who has an eternal sin against an eternal beinf must serve an eternal sentence

But that is the hope

Jesus was promised

are there non evil people of other religions?

If we live by the law we forfeit grace. We cannot rely on ourselves. Jesus is the only way.

Whosoever comes and confides in Jesus shall be saved

That is the hope

are people of other religions all evil?

Everyone is evil. No one is righteous. No not one.

Me

so there's evil people in heaven

U

That u was late

What has happened is Jesus has payed our debt in full. We are free free indeed. Our spirit is saved.

And we become more christlike

When Jesus left the Holy Spirit came in his place to grow us up to be awesome council us and guide us

No one who has broken the law will enter heaven

Yet Jesus is the way

When saved u R saved u R a new creaton

*creation

Behold all thongs have been made new

*things

so both heaven and hell is full of evil people. if the difference between the two is that if you don't believe in something you get punished forever why doesn't god make everyone believe. does God want to punish?

U just said before u do not have to do it

U trust u have faith u beleive on u confide in Jesus

U realise u r seperated from God

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***Interjection***

Romans 6:1-15 (KJV)

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Matthew 18:21-35

The parable of the servant who's debt was forgiven, though, due to unforgiveness to his own debtort, was delived to the tormentors till he should pay all that he owed.

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does God want to punish?

God does not glory in death

And he seeks that all r saves

so no

No

He does not want so

But he is a faithful judge a just judge

if God is all powerful then he could guide everyone.

so he is not all powerful

if he punishes people for not being guided

or he wants to punish

has to be one of the two

Those who do not agree cannot walk together

which of the two is it?

all powerful guider of all OR wants to punish?

As I said earlier. He can inform us but it is not our decision

...

What

But it is not his decision

It is our action and choice

if he wants to punish is God love?

if God is not love is his word correct?

For God is love and those who say they love their brother and love him not do not know God for he is love. Hoe can they love if they cannot love someone amongst them?

so love is punishing

FOREVER

U misunderstand how did u make that conclusion

I am lost

if God did not want to punish he would not punish

He would then be a corrupt judge

he has the all power to guide everyone yet chooses not to, meaning he punishes

so he has decided to not use some of his power to guide in order that he can punish

Jesus asks that we seek him like a small child and trust in him

use his power to punish

that some seek him

not those he wants to punish

if he asks all to seek him but doesn't guide all then it is a idle request

so now God is not all powerful, idle and wants to punish

He guides all

so hell is empty

i'm good then

Those who hate God love death

God guides all and is all powerful is your answer to my previous question

I'm happy to hear this

The two talk together

do those who hate GOd love torture?

As they would leave life for death so too do they leave for the torture invloved.

do they love that?

i don't think sos

Would anyone?

you just said all our guided

so God misleads people to hell?

who created the devil

is God all knowing

was God all knowing when he created the devil

If God is all knowing he also knows how to fix this.
Jesus
Satan was pure until iniquity was found in him. In his heart he said he would overthrow God.

if all our guided there is nothing to fix

so Jesus has no need to exist

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***Interjection***

There is none righteous, no, not one (Romans 3:10). We are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not (Ecclesiastes 7:20). For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9). For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them (Galations 3:10). Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace (Galations 5:4).

Acts 13:38-39

Hebrews 10:1-4

Romans 3:19-3
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Galations 2:16-21
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid. 18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galations 3:11-15, 21-29
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Romans 10:3
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Philippians 3:9
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Romans 5:15-19

Romans 8:3-5

Romans 11:6
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

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And Adam and Eve were given all power over all the animals. How did Satan appear?

did God want to punish the devil from before creation?

Did they tell him to leave?

He has given all a fair go.

how has the devil had a fair go?

do you really believe in a devil

if so tell me how he has been giving a fair go, by an all knowing god

and all those who will go into hell

which is none because you said god guides all

What was the first reason that caused Satan to be cast? Because he wanted to overthrow God.

unless god guides people to hell

in which case i don't want to be guided by God

The next was for being a murderer

And a lyer

And a thief

Did God create someone who wanted to overthrow him?

Has he not?

God created the devil who wanted to overthrow him

was this whilst God was all knowing and all powerful

Dies a father give stones or adders for gifts? No he gives bread. Hoe much better r the gifts of God?.

if so and the devil has to be punished

God wanted to punish

God does not guide people to hell

Tje devil made up is mind

And so it must be

So everyone goes to heaven

Jesus has reversed the inheritance of Adam

Jesus is the last Adam

So God is not all powerful, he wanted to create the devil to go heaven, but made a mistake

Did God create the devil to make up his mind to go to heaven? If so he failed

The two cannot agree to walk together. U cannot serve 2 masters as u will love one and despise the other. Satan seeks not God.

Did Satan have to sin?

No

If God is all powerful, does he have the power to guide the devil?

"God does not guide people to hell"

there is no eternal hell

do you know how long eternal is

forever

evil

not love

Does Satan not have the free will? His will is to be seperate from God.

So people who hate God love death

and

people who hate God love torture

people do go to hell

God does not guide all

Forever is according to law. Those who live by the law and keep it not are cursed. Those who live by the law forfeit grace.

God wants to punish

fortunately

its false

God guides and the ears do not listen as accorsing to the heart

God guides

does God guide all

He seeks that all r saves and his patience is not like man`s that wavers.

could God guide all

yes

because he is all powerful

God wants to punish

What u r saying undernath fuid is: does God force.

*guide

Did God want to punish before creation

Does God force is what u r asking.

Not does God guide.

the characteristics of the God you are describing appear contradictory

unless he wants to punish

God is righteous always and he never changes. He is the same always and forever. Therefor being an upholder of the law he is a faithful judge.

If God does not want to punish why is there a hell?

And he is great with the legal system as u can see Jesus can be a legal representative for both man and God and mediates between them. Jesus is our high priest and we r reconciled.

If God does not want to punish, why did God create a place to punish

to punish forever

He upholds the law.

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***Interjection***

Romans 7:7, 12-14
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Jeremiah 17:10
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

God sees the heart and mind knowing the secret things and understanding all thoughts, imaginations, and intentions (1 Chronicles 28:9, Proverbs 15:11, Psalm 44:21, 139:1, Jeremiah 17:10, 20:12, Matthew 12:25, Mark 2:8, Luke 8-10, 11:17, 16:15, John 2:25, Acts 15:8, Romans 8:27, Revelation 2:23).

John 3:20
For everyone that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

Luke 8:17
For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.

Romans 3:4-6
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
6 God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?
Galatians 3:24
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Romans 3: 19-31
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Matthew 9:12-13 (also Mark 2:17, Luke 5:32)
12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Galatians 2:15-16, 21
15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
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who's law?

God's law?

God does not want to punish, but he has to uphold his own law and punish, when he does not want to.

Is that not contradictory?